Woodwinds
Bassoon
Woodwinds: Flute, piccolo, clarinet, oboe and bassoon (the saxophones are their own family). Most of the sound comes from the tone holes along the body, not the bell, so sources aim at the holes.
Part of the Woodwinds family; that family's advice shows here too.
- Range
- Bb1–Eb5
- Overtones to
- about 1.9 kHz
- Peaks up close
- up to 129 dB SPL
- Sources
- 10 (8 independent)
Mics sources recommend
21 setups from 10 sources, 8 of them independent of any mic maker. Each mic shows how many sources name it for that role, and how many of those are independent. Listed alphabetically: there is no ranking.
Studio
Close
- DPA 4006A maker's advice1 source, 0 independent
- DPA 4011A maker's advice1 source, 0 independent
- DPA 4015A maker's advice1 source, 0 independent
- Oktava MK-0121 independent source
- Oktava ML521 independent source
- condenser, omnidirectional or spaced pair1 source, 0 independent
- large-diaphragm condenser1 independent source
Spot
- Schoeps MK 41 independent source
- cardioid condenser1 independent source
- condenser (bass clarinet technique, type only)1 independent source
- large-diaphragm condenser, cardioid1 independent source
- Royer ribbon microphone1 independent source
Contact
- Schoeps MK 41 independent source
The 13 setups behind this: placement and quotes
- Close DPA 4006Aclose, 15-20 cm at the finger holes
Aim the microphone at the fingering holes, about a third up from the bell, 15-20 cm away (paraphrase).
1 - Close DPA 4011A or DPA 4015Aclose or spot
4011A and 4015A listed as alternatives to the omni; very directional cardioids sound too focused (paraphrase). ... 4011A and 4015A listed as alternatives to the omni (paraphrase).
1 - Close 2 × condenser, omnidirectional or spaced pairensemble: between two players, head height, aimed down
Place the microphone between the two instruments, at about head height, and point straight down at the floor (paraphrase).
1 - Close large-diaphragm condenserclose, studio (placement not given)
in studio situation i would mike it with a large membran condensor mic (guy)
2 - Close Oktava MK-012close, for recording (placement not given)
Try Oktava MK012 for recording and Shure SM-57 for live stage. (Richard Monroe)
2 - Close Oktava ML52close, recording (placement not given)
I bet your bassoon would love [the ML52] (Richard Monroe)
2 - Spot large-diaphragm condenser, cardioidspot, 24 in from the mouthpiece, aimed at it
Large-diaphragm cardioid condenser mic around 24 inches away from the mouthpiece (bocal end).
3 - Spot condenser (bass clarinet technique, type only)spot, as for bass clarinet: between bell and left hand
I mic them as I would a clarinet, or in the case of the bassoon, like the bass clarinet.
4 - Contact 2 × Schoeps MK 4pair, stereo pair as overall woodwind pickup (bassoons not named separately)
the woodwinds had a stereo pair of Schoeps MK4s as an overall pickup
5 - Spot 2 × Schoeps MK 4spot, one mic per woodwind section (contrabassoon often on its own), mixed in low under the main pair
do each section of the woodwinds on a separate mic ... quite often bass clarinet and contrabassoon and English horn separate
6 - Spot cardioid condenserspot, on the bassoons
Spot microphones in cardioid or wide cardioid ... bassoons (paraphrase of the spot-mic list)
7 - Spot Woodwinds advice Royer ribbon microphonespot, close mics on the woodwinds
Royer ribbon mics on the woodwinds and low brass
8 - Contact Woodwinds advice 2 × Schoeps MK 4pair, stereo pair as overall woodwind pickup
the woodwinds had a stereo pair of Schoeps MK4s as an overall pickup
5
On stage
Clip-on
- DPA 4099 CORE+ maker's advice1 source, 0 independent
- SD Systems LCM 831 independent source
- Shure PGA98H maker's advice1 source, 0 independent
Close
- Shure SM571 independent source
- small-diaphragm condenser1 independent source
Spot
- Sennheiser MD 4211 independent source
The 6 setups behind this: placement and quotes
- Clip-on DPA 4099 CORE+clip-on, close to the bell but aimed at the tone holes
Position it close to the bell but pointing at the tone holes, not into the bell (paraphrase).
1 - Close small-diaphragm condenserclose, live (placement not given)
a small diaphragm condensor mic with tight pattern might work as well ... [a large condenser] might be problematic in live situation (guy)
2 - Close Shure SM57close, live stage (placement not given)
Shure SM-57 works fine for cheap. (Richard Monroe)
2 - Clip-on SD Systems LCM 83clip-on, cardioid mic at the top placed to suppress the harsh bell sound plus omni mic on the middle of the body for the low register
The top mic (cardioid pattern) is attached in a way that it suppresses the harsh sound ... The middle mic (omni directional pattern) amplifies the lower part of the instrument. (OP's choice, quoting the maker's notes)
2 - Spot Sennheiser MD 421spot, one mic between the first two bassoon players
Colby places a Sennheiser 421 between the first two players of each woodwind type-flutes, clarinets, oboes, bassoons
9 - Clip-on Shure PGA98Hclip-on, live
PGA98H and SM137 listed for woodwinds including bassoon (guide lists by family; paraphrase).
10
Studio and stage
Close
- AKG C4141 independent source
- condenser (type only)1 source, 0 independent
The 2 setups behind this: placement and quotes
- Close AKG C414close, recording or live (placement not given)
AKG 414 for both uses ... is expensive and requires phantom power (Richard Monroe, paraphrase)
2 - Close Woodwinds advice condenser (type only)close, about 30 cm from the sound holes
A mic placed about 1 foot from sound holes will produce a natural, well-balanced sound.
10
Advised against
- Close Oktava MK-012 hypercardioidclose, on a big or loud stage
In a big place or loud, they'll feed back. (Richard Monroe)
2
Range
Bb1 to about Eb51158.3 Hz – 622 Hz
E5 and F5 possible with effort (VSL).
| Low | Bb1–F2 | substantial, compact |
|---|---|---|
| Middle | F#2–Bb3 | sonorous, rich, clear; most used |
| High (tenor) | B3–Eb5 | fewer overtones; pressed, singing |
Overtones reach about 1.9 kHz (the highest harmonic within 40 dB of the strongest, at a moderate level; louder playing reaches higher)12.
The sound
A wide conical bore with a double reed: the low fundamental is weak (here 18 dB below the 4th harmonic) and the energy sits in a fixed region around 400-500 Hz, whatever note is played.
Where the sound goes
As for other woodwinds, sound comes from the whole length depending on which holes are open. DPA's clip-on advice (near the bell but aimed at the tone holes, not into the bell) says the same. Production Expert's aim at the mouthpiece end is the odd one out.4,1
Recording it
Playing techniques
- Flutter-tonguing: guttural R, a rough tremolo
- Multiphonics: in the low register, even major chords11
How loud
Sound pressure level measurements as published. Different kinds of figure (a playing level, a peak, a dose at the player's ear) can't be compared with each other, and neither can figures at different distances.
| Playing level | |
|---|---|
| 71–93 dB(Z) | at 1 m; Modern bassoon, derived from the TU Berlin sound power values estimate13 |
| Peaks | |
| 96–108 dB(A) | at the player; same study, LASmax (slow) per rehearsal or concert14 |
| 114–129 dB(C) | at the player; same study, LCpeak per rehearsal or concert14 |
| Dynamic range | |
| 22 dB(Z) | sound power, whole range; Modern bassoon, Weinzierl et al. 2018, Table I estimate13 |
| Player's exposure (dosimeter) | |
| 83–90 dB(A) | at the player (meters on tripods with microphones close to the players); Polish opera and symphony orchestras, group rehearsals, concerts and performances; 26 samples14 |
| 78.6–91.1 dB(A) | dosimeter on the student; Classical music students (Portugal), classes with instrument practice, dosimeter over two weeks15 |
| Sound power | |
| 82–104 dB(Z) | sound power level Lw (dB re 1 pW), not a sound pressure at a distance; Modern bassoon, single notes over the whole range played as soft and as loud as possible, anechoic chamber TU Berlin, 32-mic spherical array13 |
| 86–101 dB(Z) | sound power level Lw (dB re 1 pW), repertoire-weighted average; Modern bassoon, pp and ff sound power averaged over the range, weighted by how often each pitch occurs in Beethoven's symphonies13 |
No figure found. The Sound Advice table lines I could read (oboe, piccolo, sax) have no bassoon row.16
Sources
- DPA Mic University: How to mic a bassoon
- HomeRecording.com forum: MIC for Double Reed (fagot) (2002)
- Production Expert: Free woodwind and sax recording techniques (2020)
- Recording Magazine: Miking Brass and Winds
- Sound On Sound: Jake Jackson: Recording The 2012 Olympic Anthems
- Sound On Sound: Richard King, How To Record Acoustic Ensembles
- SoundGirls: Recording an Orchestra
- Mix: The Changing Landscape of Orchestral Recording (engineer Steve Smith, Music Works Studios)
- Mix: Sound Reinforcement for the Boston Pops: Miking the Orchestra (BSO live mix engineer Steve Colby)
- Shure: How to Choose the Best Mics for Brass, Wind, and String Instruments
- Vienna Symphonic Library Academy: Bassoon
- SHARC Timbre Database v2 (Gregory Sandell): harmonic analyses of McGill University Master Samples
- JASA: Sound power and timbre as cues for the dynamic strength of orchestral instruments (Weinzierl, Lepa, Schultz, Detzner, von Coler, Behler)
- JOSE: Evaluation of Sound Exposure and Risk of Hearing Impairment in Orchestral Musicians (Pawlaczyk-Luszczynska, Dudarewicz, Zamojska, Sliwinska-Kowalska)
- 3rd International Congress on Environmental Health (Porto 2014), abstract: noise exposure of jazz and classical music students
- Representative noise levels table with orchestra noise guidance (UK Sound Advice material)
- Sound On Sound: Q. How do I mike up woodwind instruments? (Hugh Robjohns, Nov 2003)
- Sound On Sound: Recording Brass & Reeds